D'Arcy from Winnipeg
Solution Architecture, Business & Entrepreneurship, Microsoft, and Adoption

You're Missing The Point...

Friday, March 7, 2008 10:59 AM

Previously, on As the Geek Blogosphere Turns...

Hammett questioned Polermo's MVC-ness

Justice responds to Hammett's post

Hammett took Ben to task

I offer my .02 cents

Justice expresses man-love for Hammett

Hammett responds

I posted a comment on his response...unfortunately, that comment isn't showing up...and other comments have shown up after my attempt...odd...oh well, I'll just post it here:

"Actually Justice, *I* labelled him bitter. I'll admit the book deal bit was more an idea I got from some of the comments to the original post about Polermo (someone offered up the book deal angle)...thanks for clarifying though Hammett that you did get approached.

That still doesn't deal with the real reason for my post: where do you get off publically attacking someone who has been a visible part of the developer community for YEARS and is a proponent of GOOD SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT PRACTICES, not just recently but for the bulk of said years?

Your statement about "making people think" is junk. Let's compare what you wrote to what you *could have* written:

"Funny enough, Pallermo never seem to care about Castle. Suddenly he - and others - became the world’s expert in MVC, testability, maintainability and good architecture. I wonder, what have been using to develop web apps before the ASP.Net MVC? WebForms? If so, I’m not that keen to believe that they are what they claim."

Now let's see what this would have looked like if Hammett had listened to REM's Shiny Happy People instead of NIN's Terrible Lie:

"Jeff Polermo has recently been evangelizing good architecture, test coverage, and maintainability. It's good to see another visible personality in the technology community champion best practices in an industry that so badly needs to hear about it. Castle has been preaching this since 2004 when it was incepted, and the more people that want to reach out to the community the better! Jeff, consider this an open invitation to ping me and discuss how I or my team can help answer any questions or just discuss ideas with."

See? FRIENDLY! NON-ANTAGONISTIC! POSITIVE COMMUNITY BUILDING! That's what we as a community need to be about, not trying to tear each other down.

So, as Justice did, I too am going to offer a bit of a truce. I think what you've done with Castle has been a great boon to the developer community...I think you just need to realize that there are others that are passionate about the same things you are but are just now finding their voice, or are just now having their voices heard.

D "


# re: You're Missing The Point...

There is no need to keep the discussion going on this topic. There is no misunderstanding, and I've used my preference of private email communication to foster a good working relationship with Hamilton. He and I _are_ on good terms, but this post gives the world the perception that we aren't. 3/7/2008 12:22 PM | Jeffrey Palermo

# re: You're Missing The Point...

I think the *real* issue Jeffrey has with everyone is the fact people are constantly misspelling his last name!!!



=) 3/7/2008 12:44 PM | Justice~!

# re: You're Missing The Point...

@Jeff: regardless of the differences or lack of them between you and Hammett, I think D'Arcy's point stands. The example he gave of a *positive* interaction was a great way to have accomplished the same dialogue with you, but without the drama. 3/7/2008 12:46 PM | Justice~!

# re: You're Missing The Point...

@Jeff: I'm hoping this is the end as well, or at least if further discussion happens its separate from yourself. I'm glad you guys patched it up!

@Justice: ROFLMAO! Did you misspell that on purpose? Palmero?! 3/7/2008 3:23 PM | D'Arcy from Winnipeg

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